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Post by azoffaly on Feb 29, 2008 15:26:26 GMT
I don't know about the motivation behind the article. Seems to be a handy dig at Seán Óg is the motivation, unless the writer (who appears to be anon,) was invoved with the charity or something.
As to the rights and wrongs of the players receiving money from people outside the game, I'd be fairly blasé about it.
I'd be less so about them receiving money for presenting medals and stuff, but I still wouldn't be hopping up and down about it, they are not getting paid *for* playing, they are getting paid *because* they are well known players. Subtle difference in my mind, and also the same principle as why I am not against the grants per se. merely against the GAA being involved in paying them.
I am also against managers being paid to manage.
As I've said, my main gripe in this issue is that I'm sick of listening to players giving out about not getting anything for all their dedication, when I believe a lot of them are.
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Post by bbdc on Feb 29, 2008 15:45:31 GMT
There's no author credited with that? Was there a byeline in the paper? Michael O'Brien wrote it |
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Post by mairegangaire on Feb 29, 2008 16:09:18 GMT
Two issues 1. why is everyone with their hand out (with the exception of Sean Og) afforded annonimity? 2. The author (and the majority of the player haters I'd wager) finds the payment of managers acceptable. The sooner the 'of one hypocrisy' movement recognises this as the root of all professional evils the better. Thanks for saying that instead of me. Jay's you'd think Roscommon had nothing else to worry about. Personally I think Sean Og deliberately priced himself out of the gig to avoid saying no, done it meself plenty times. Mind you I'd want 3k to go Roscommon too. |
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Post by hangblaa on Feb 29, 2008 16:45:22 GMT
I'd say you have point there MGG
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Post by cicfada on Feb 29, 2008 16:47:16 GMT
I have no problem with hurlers getting appearance money for non-GAA related activities but to turn up at clubs and charge big money amounts is greedy!! I'd be surprised if players were doing this though!!!!
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Post by 8countiesinarow on Feb 29, 2008 18:33:48 GMT
Passedit I am more than happy to have a go at the gobnutse who wanted questions posed of Sean Og,the question arises from a radio programme on a Cork station where another gobnutse called Neil Prenderville read out an E-Mail received which he assured the listeners was genuine which made allegations against Sean Og for demanding money from a GAA club to present medals,the E-Mail said they could not match his asking price and that of another unnnamed Cork player and got Dan Shanahan who did it for nothing. Within 5 minutes an outraged club chairman was put through and confirmed the story was a complete fabrication.
Now if Sean og was the person portrayed he would be suing both Prenderville and 96FM and I suspect the Roscomon Herald also.
The problem with any DB is that any old lie or allegation,gossip or tittle tattle can be posted without there being a shred of truth in the allegation,as for the excuse "I was told by a man who knows a man who knows a man in the club in question" bullnuts.
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Post by Jairzinho on Feb 29, 2008 21:25:59 GMT
2 years ago i looked in to getting a high profile player to present underage medals. Investigated one of the cork hurlers was told that he didn't charge gaa clubs but charged €5000 for corporate events. He wasn't available in the end. got a kerry footballer for around €200. Was well worth it. The young lads got a great buzz out of it and the footballer was brilliant on the night. Well worth the money!!
At the end of the day if high profile players can get €5000 off corporate muppets to stand there and smile fair play to them. The more they rob off these fools the better comparabile sportsmen from other codes get much more I would guess.
The one negative thing I would say is that it is hard to listen to D.Farrell and the GPA harp on about the loss players suffer and how they deserve grants when he fails to recognise the appearence fees received by players. A bit like the GAA committee that couldn't find any payments to intercounty managers few years ago. He has a bit of a selective memory.
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Post by azoffaly on Mar 1, 2008 10:06:19 GMT
Passedit I am more than happy to have a go at the gobnutse who wanted questions posed of Sean Og,the question arises from a radio programme on a Cork station where another gobnutse called Neil Prenderville read out an E-Mail received which he assured the listeners was genuine which made allegations against Sean Og for demanding money from a GAA club to present medals,the E-Mail said they could not match his asking price and that of another unnnamed Cork player and got Dan Shanahan who did it for nothing. Within 5 minutes an outraged club chairman was put through and confirmed the story was a complete fabrication. Now if Sean og was the person portrayed he would be suing both Prenderville and 96FM and I suspect the Roscomon Herald also. The problem with any DB is that any old lie or allegation,gossip or tittle tattle can be posted without there being a shred of truth in the allegation,as for the excuse "I was told by a man who knows a man who knows a man in the club in question" bullnuts. Well, as the gobnutse in question, that is the exact story I heard as well, although I heard that Dan Shanahan was still paid, but a lot less than was 'quoted' by any of the Cork lads. If you are saying that the club chairman came out and flatly denied that as being the reason, well then I accept what you are saying, and apologise for the initial remark. The rest of my posts still stand though. |
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Post by Nice Ham on Mar 1, 2008 10:25:32 GMT
At the end of the day if high profile players can get €5000 off corporate muppets to stand there and smile fair play to them. The more they rob off these fools the better comparabile sportsmen from other codes get much more I would guess. The one negative thing I would say is that it is hard to listen to D.Farrell and the GPA harp on about the loss players suffer and how they deserve grants when he fails to recognise the appearence fees received by players. A bit like the GAA committee that couldn't find any payments to intercounty managers few years ago. He has a bit of a selective memory. Fully agree with all that. I too have no problem with players making money from corporate endorsements and events. But to listen to the GPA you'd swear these same lads had to walk the country barefoot carrying the county board chairmen on their backs. If he didn't want to do the gig in Roscommon, and lets face it who does want to go to Roscommon, he should have just said "sorry I'm unavailable for that date, I hope your night is a great success" but to "quote" a figure of 3k is silly and reflects badly on the players when things like this do get brought out into the open. It will also lead people to believe that all players making public appearances are getting this much or looking for this much money, when in fact they're probably just getting a few quid petrol money and their dinner. |
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Post by 8countiesinarow on Mar 1, 2008 12:00:55 GMT
Just to conclude this AZoffaly,this thread should act as an example --you come on with a lofty moral tone asking that questions be posed of a hurler. It then turns out that this question came about because someone told you a story that they heard on the radio or was repeated to them by someone who heard it on the radio,a story that was rubbished by the club in question within 10 minutes of it being broadcast.
Because people are in the public eye they should not automatically become targets for those who have some sort of agenda.
If you have issues with players receiving payments for doing corporate gigs that is fair enough.if you have issues with players being compensated for giving up their free time to present medals fair enough but to go down the road of "Pose this question or that to Player A or Player B" is straight from the pages of The Independent newspaper group and should be jumped on by all right minded people. It is bashing players by innuendo and smear.
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Post by azoffaly on Mar 1, 2008 17:16:42 GMT
Just to conclude this AZoffaly,this thread should act as an example --you come on with a lofty moral tone asking that questions be posed of a hurler. It then turns out that this question came about because someone told you a story that they heard on the radio or was repeated to them by someone who heard it on the radio,a story that was rubbished by the club in question within 10 minutes of it being broadcast. Hold on now horse, don't be getting carried away with yourself. You are putting words into my mouth, or are misunderstanding what I am saying. My source would not have heard it on the radio, and would be very close to things down there. I would take them very seriously, and if they are wrong, I am surprised, but at the same time I am willing to admit that possibly they are. That is a long way from saying I heard from somebody who heard something on the radio. Now, back to my fundemental point. I have said that I am fairly blasé about players receiving money for these appearances, especially the corporate gigs, but I am sick to my back teeth of hearing lads giving out about all the dedication they are putting in, without getting anything back. Nobody ever challenges them publicly about these appearances and that was my point, and others above have picked up on it. So, to recap, I certainly believe Seán Óg, and many others are receiving money from these appearances. One of my sources in Cork may have misunderstood something, based on your reply above, but that incident aside, I am sure it is happening. I am not against it per se, but I would prefer them to be honest and open about it, instead of glossing over it and pretending they get nothing at all out of their profile, or are you insisting that players do not get such 'fees'? Again, I am not on about Seán Óg in isolation, and I am sorry if my phrasing of the opening remark insinuated I was on a witch-hunt against him. |
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Post by 8countiesinarow on Mar 1, 2008 21:52:01 GMT
There is no need to get carried away,as I said it was you who adopted the grand tribunal approach with "pose this question etc".
You say you have nothing against players getting fees but youy wanted Sean Og put in the dock with your declamatory question.
Of course players are getting fees for opening shops,pubs etc and there is nothing in the ruules to say there is anything wrong with that.I personally am a bit uncomfortable that clubs would be charged by players for presenting medals and I have no experience of that and all that I can say that no player that I know of is asking clubs for fees to present medals.
The irritating thing is that it is so easy to damage someone by innuendo ,an innuendo that is false from behind an anonymous keyboard.
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Post by Corca Baiscinn on Mar 1, 2008 22:44:02 GMT
IMO there is nothing wrong with any GAA player charging €3k (or whatever they can get away with) for a corporate event - just don't whinge afterwards about the cost of playing inter-county hurling/football.
It is certainly wrong imo for any GAA player to charge/quote €3k for a medal presentation/charity event (even if it is in Roscommon). Would the player show up if the quote was accepted?
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Post by 8countiesinarow on Mar 2, 2008 11:38:48 GMT
Corca I would be in broad agreement with your post,this issue was prompted by an article in the Roscommon Herald which may have had some elements of accuracy but was pitched in a way (the reference to charity which apparently had not been made clear to the person named) to try and show the player up in the worst light possible. The snide reference to hurlings Mr Clean should have alerted us I suppose.
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